BY PASTOR MIKE TAYLOR
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
1st Thessalonians 4:16 -17
Very familiar verses for all prophecy writers and readers alike, has been the subject of much debate and confusion over the last 150 years. Many critics believe that this verse is talking about the church being taken up in the air at the seventh trump that the seventh angel blows to signal the bowl judgments spoken of in Revelation chapter 16. That would be a Post-Tribulation model. But are they right?
I had a brother in Christ, who at the very mention of the word “rapture”, became very irate and bellowed, loudly, quote “there is no scripture in the bible that speaks of a rapture.” end-quote. But is he right, or just ignorant of the fact that Paul and many writers pointed to a “catching away” of the church and there are found many instances in the bible that support that doctrine? You can find examples of this teaching in both New and Old Testaments. Let's take a journey through biblical chapters and see what we find, shall we?
Noting the above verse quoted in the start of this message, note the underlined words to “be caught up”. Are there any other verses in the bible with the same words that mean the same thing as this verse does? The Greek word for this phrase is “harpazo” #726 in Strong's Concordance that was translated into the Latin Vulgate as “rapiemur” and came from the derivative of the Greek word #138 in Strong's Concordance “haireomai” which literally means “to seize, catch away up, pluck, pull, or take by force”, hence the modern English word “rapture”, that often maligned word, that many in the conservative church movements equate with some type of emotional display or escape hatch for those who disbelieve the church goes through the Tribulation. Getting back, are there any other verses that use the exact same word used here of “harpazo”? Turn with me now to 2nd Corinthians 12:2,
“I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.”
Paul is speaking of himself being caught into paradise and heard things, that I believe he shared with the church during his days when he wrote his epistles. He calls it a mystery...what is the word he used....? Correct, it was harpazo. Paul was snatched in the spirit into heaven. Paul uses the word twice. The Old Testament is full of the prophecies concerning the second coming of the Lord God at the end of the age, but in Paul's epistle, especially in letter to the Corinthians and the Thessalonians, Paul speaks of a mystery that would not have been a mystery to those who studied the Torah or the major/minor prophets, but here refers to this mystery, or something that previously had not been known. And further, Paul equated it with the known Feast of Trumpets, referring the last trump that is blown at it's conclusion and not referring to John's description in Revelation, as John had not even wrote the last book of the Bible when Paul wrote these letters to the churches. So even in that respect, they are not the same trumpet and should not be confused with each other.
Now let's turn to another verse that speaks of this same snatching away, but in a different context.
Matthew 11:12 , “And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence , and the violent take it by force .”
Matthew 13:19 “When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. “
Different context, but same meaning...to be snatched away, by force. Now another, found in Gospel of John it is used four different times.
6:15 “When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force , to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.”John 10:12
12 “But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming , and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth : and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.”
John 10:28-29
28 “And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish , neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.”
Again, in Acts 23:10, Jude 1:23, Revelation 12:5 “And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
Let's not forget Phillip the apostle when he had baptized the Ethiopian eunuch, Acts, 8:39
“And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.”
If you've been keeping count, that is 13 times in the New Testament including the ones I didn't quote , but gave reference to, that the word “Harpazo” is used and it means in every instance to be removed by force, without warning being snatched away...not each mention of the Greek word “Harpazo” has to do with with the mystery that Paul speaks of, but it shows that the word was used repeatedly to speak of with the same definition and example.
WHAT ABOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT?
Good question. Is there anything that can point to a parallel word that has the same meaning used in Greek in these passages found in also in the Old Testament.? Matter of fact, there is. There a examples of men being “snatched up” and removed from this earth. Let's start with the earliest known example...Genesis 5:23,
Altogether, Enoch lived 365 years. v.24, “Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.”
Here the word for the underlined phrase “took him away” is the Hebrew word #3947 in Strong's, “leqach” which means to “receive, reserve, seize, send for, take away, or fetch”.
Paul speaks of Enoch this way, Hebrews 11:5 of the NIV,
“By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death; he could not be found, because God had taken him away (translated him). For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.”
The word used for “translated, or taken him away” is the Greek word, metatithemi, Strongs #3346, which means “transport, exchange, change sides, carry over, change, remove”. Scoffers will use the passage in verse 13 of that same chapter,
v:13 “These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.”
But to use that verse contradicts verse 5, and the bible cannot contradict itself. So Enoch was “snatched away, removed” from this earth alive and did NOT see death, but verse 13 applies to all others who lived by faith.
Another example is the prophet Elijah and we will turn to 2nd Kings chapter 2,2:1 “ And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.”
Reading down:2:11 “And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.”
What is the Hebrew word for the phrase “would take up” in verse1. It's the word and the equivalent word as used in the example of Enoch, as this word is “Leqach” used to describe the snatching away of Enoch. Some will make a convoluted argument that both men are dead and died in faith, but they use logic that is beyond their grasp of the infinite, not believing that God is Sovereign and He can do whatever He wishes to do, apart from their finite analogies. They will use “did not see death” and try to explain the second death. That's stretching the meaning of the text and we have no clue to do so. It's best to take what the Word says literally and not add your own meaning, by adding or subtracting from God's message. They will say that he lived 365 years and no longer, but you can't count eternity, because it's without time. So again, they try to rationalize their preconceived ideas to support their doctrine of “believers in Jesus Christ” not being removed bodily from this earth in an instant....or the bible says, in the “twinkling of an eye.”
Note that we have covered Enoch, Elijah, Phillip, Paul, our Lord and Savior, and finally the Church itself, the bride of Christ being described with the words “snatched up, or plucked by force” from the earth.
But still the critics will not believe. I point them to some passages that mirror each other and tell us why these examples were given to us. First is Isaiah 26:19,
“Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.”
And her companion verse, spoken of by my Lord, John chapter 14,14:2 “In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.”
What do these companion verses say to you? They tell me that Jesus will bring us unto Himself and we will be rewarded a mansion in the New Jerusalem, as He promised. There we will wait for the indignation, or His wrath to be over-past or to subside. These verses speak of resurrection, changing from mortal to immortal, and not being present when His wrath comes upon this earth, both the resurrected dead in Christ, and the living who are both changed as Paul spoke of in the very first verses of this message.
THE DOCTRINE OF THE RAPTURE IS A MODERN ONE?
In recent years, many opponents of the pre-tribulation rapture view have made dogmatic assertions that this view was never taught before 1820 A.D. There have been attempts to attribute the origin of this view to John N. Darby.... but this is false and misleading. Ephraem the Syrian wrote, in 373 AD, "For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins." ... revealing that the early church fathers themselves were indeed teaching this.
This text was originally a sermon called “On the Last Times, the Anti-Christ, and the End of the World.” There are four existing Latin manuscripts (the Parisinus, the Augiensis, the Barberini, and the St. Gallen) ascribed to St. Ephraem or to St. Isidore . Some scholars believe this text was written by some unknown writer in the sixth century and was derived from the original Ephraem manuscript.
The sermon describes the events of the last days, beginning with the rapture, the Great Tribulation of 3 1/2 years duration under the Antichrist's rule, followed by the Second Coming of Christ. In Ephraem's book “The Book of the Cave of Treasures”, written about 370 A.D., he expressed his belief that the 69th week of Daniel ended with the rejection and crucifixion of Jesus the Messiah. Although this does not prove that the doctrine of the Rapture is correct, it does show that even early Church Theologians were teaching this and it is NOT a modern device of an immature girl and John Darby, as some claim, but a doctrine of the early church.
The glorified Jesus, the Great I AM, that I AM spoke of this in the His precious Word, as Ephraem the Syrian did, when our Lord spoke in Revelation 3:10,
“Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.”
Paul echoes what Jesus spoke to John years later, when he penned these verses,
But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.”
POINT AND COUNTERPOINT!!
The Church is a specific group of believers in Jesus Christ. It is not a building ... nor is it any particular denomination or religion. It is also known as the Body of Christ. The Living Church of God is a living organism that began at Pentecost -- see Acts 2:1-4 and culminates at the rapture -- see 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18. It does not include anyone who was a believer prior to or after the two above-mentioned events. The terms saints or elect refer to another specific group of believers. This group includes all the Old Testament saints, as well as those who become believers in Christ after the rapture. I've made many references in past messages that the Tribulation is designed for two things, and two things only and that is:
-Pouring out of God's wrath on an unrepentant, and rebellious world,
-refining Israel as silver is refined in the fire....and we are NOT included in that refining. Why? Because there is no need, as Jesus paid it all at the cross, and to think otherwise smacks of “catholic purgatory” that Jesus blood and sacrifice just was not sufficient to fully save the sinner. A serious mistake by a past ruling Theocracy.
There is a marked difference in the Bible when you look at references to the Church compared with references to the saints or the elect. The Church is always referred to in very narrow and distinct terms, whereas the saints or the elect are always referred to in very broad terms. More pointed, however, is the fact that the word Church never appears again after Revelation 3:22 -- you'll only see the words “saints or the elect” mentioned throughout the rest of the book -- and this is directly after a very significant reference to this “catching away by force” , in Revelation 3:10
ASSESSMENT and CONCLUSIONS
What is the tribulation? It is the wrath of God. When does it start? When the first seal is broken in chapter 6 of Revelation by our Lord, Jesus Christ. What are we not appointed to? We are not appointed to wrath, but salvation through Him, Jesus Christ out Lord. How will the tribulation begin to commence? When the Church of God is removed out of the way. Isaiah 26:19, and 2nd Thessalonians
“For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let ( the Holy Spirit), until he be taken out of the way.2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.”
But forewarning to those who belong to a “church”...these bible verses who speak of the removal of the CHURCH will not be everyone who sits in pew, or says some “hail marys” in some repetitive fashion, or think their priest of their pastor can usher them into God's Kingdom. It's not about being Catholic, or Protestant or something somewhere in between. It is solely dependent on the application of the blood of Jesus Christ to your life and clothing your spirit with His righteousness. There are many verses that point solely to Jesus Christ being the “Way, the Truth and the Life”. No man can come to the Father in Heaven except through Him. All roads do not lead to eternal life, but believing in your heart of hearts and accepting His free pardon for your sins through Grace and faith in the only Begotten Son of God.
“For God so loved the world, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life” John 3:16
God has given us example after example. He has given us story after story to show the TRUE children of God being removed out of the way. He has given us words to show that HE WILL remove the TRUE, blood washed church before His wrath is poured out on this earth. How much more clear does He need to be? When someone remarks, “the rapture is not found in the bible”, then my reader, you can direct them to passages that show they misunderstand. And if they still don't get it, then that's Ok...you can explain it to them on your way up to meet the Lord in the air.
“Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved” Don't be left behind when all hell breaks loose on this earth in the coming Tribulation, which may be sooner than anyone cares to think of....maybe even this year???
This is Pastor Mike Taylor, praying God's salvation in your life and to ready for the soon return of our King of kings, and Lord of lords, Jesus Christ, our Savior. If there is anything I can help you with, pray with you about, or just listen, email me at realteam1999@sbcglobal.net. Or visit me online at www.churchofgod-usa, for more messages based on the Word of God. God bless you all,
Comments
Ort
01/21/2016 5:50pm
Pastor Mike, I cannot wait for the Rapture. I'm barely holding on. Every day on this earth is like doing prison time. Society is crazy, thieves, murderers and liars run our government, islime is poisoning the very fabric of civilization-----I'm just SO done.
I almost don't even care anymore at all for the willfully ignorant masses who insist on playing the Godless fool.
I know this sounds harsh, so please forgive me, but people have free will and they seem to be excercising it to the max, for the worse.
Believers have been accused by other supposed believers of being guilty of "escapism". Well, so be it. No amount of money or anything else could keep me on this lawless lunatic asylum of a planet.
I just want Jesus!! I want to be with Him!!
I honestly don't feel like I can go on some days. Some days I'm ok.
I guess I'm going to be the servant God is ashamed of. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way, so at least I will have some company.
I almost don't even care anymore at all for the willfully ignorant masses who insist on playing the Godless fool.
I know this sounds harsh, so please forgive me, but people have free will and they seem to be excercising it to the max, for the worse.
Believers have been accused by other supposed believers of being guilty of "escapism". Well, so be it. No amount of money or anything else could keep me on this lawless lunatic asylum of a planet.
I just want Jesus!! I want to be with Him!!
I honestly don't feel like I can go on some days. Some days I'm ok.
I guess I'm going to be the servant God is ashamed of. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way, so at least I will have some company.
Ort
01/21/2016 7:47pm
Oh, and I'm glad you wrote this. It's so frustrating that people who say they are believers, can't see the Rapture in the Bible. Worse, they castigate those of us who can. I expect derision from the world, but when I get it from those who are supposed to be brethren.......well, there are no words.
Pete
01/22/2016 8:50pm
Ort: I hear ya! I've actually come to the conclusion that folks who are born again should feel sick of this world. Is it not repulsive to His Spirit that lives within us. Folks who aren't repulsed are the ones I'm concerned about.
But this is not an excuse to not wake every morning and holdfast for God is still in control. So, I go about doing what I need to get done. But, every opportunity I have that presents itself I tell folks about the gospel.
You see we are sick of the state the world is in because we are in Christ. Those who are not come in two main groups. 1. Ones who don't care or live for it. 2. Those who see it and are scared. It's those in the second group who are most willing to hear the gospel. They know something is wrong but can't define it. It's something in their inner core that scares them. To them it feels irrational. They seek answers in the world. On guys like trump or in blog groups that stand for old fashion ways. What we need to do buddy, is show them the good old days were based on biblical values. Then lead them to the worlds current rejection of it. I speak to them of Gods prophacies. Ending with Salvation in Christ.
Do I have better days than others sure. I feel like an ambassador in a country about to declair on mine. Waiting on the order to come home. But until then, I have duties I'm called to perform. Simplistic I know but it works for me.
Hang tough God is in Control. Truth be told, I think Jesus is a anxious as we are....
But this is not an excuse to not wake every morning and holdfast for God is still in control. So, I go about doing what I need to get done. But, every opportunity I have that presents itself I tell folks about the gospel.
You see we are sick of the state the world is in because we are in Christ. Those who are not come in two main groups. 1. Ones who don't care or live for it. 2. Those who see it and are scared. It's those in the second group who are most willing to hear the gospel. They know something is wrong but can't define it. It's something in their inner core that scares them. To them it feels irrational. They seek answers in the world. On guys like trump or in blog groups that stand for old fashion ways. What we need to do buddy, is show them the good old days were based on biblical values. Then lead them to the worlds current rejection of it. I speak to them of Gods prophacies. Ending with Salvation in Christ.
Do I have better days than others sure. I feel like an ambassador in a country about to declair on mine. Waiting on the order to come home. But until then, I have duties I'm called to perform. Simplistic I know but it works for me.
Hang tough God is in Control. Truth be told, I think Jesus is a anxious as we are....
Heather
01/23/2016 3:53pm
Amen Pete! I believe the feeling that Ort is describing shows up in the verses below. I feel this way too. But when I realize I'm starting to be weighed down by it, I immediately pray to God Almighty to give strength to go out into the world and face another day. He always strengthens me every time. He told us He was leaving His peace with us, and He is faithful to answer such a request.
Theres not much time left in the Age of Grace for us to try to reach the lost. I speak to people at my place of employment about Jesus. I talk with customers when the time arises. Many see the prophecies being fulfilled before our very eyes, yet whats sad is many who claim they are saved don't see and are asleep. Some of us feel we don't have the gift to "evangelise". I don’t have it, but I'm trying. One example, I found some beautiful witnessing tracts. I've found that people are very attracted to them. I found them on Pastor Charles Lawson's site. They are yellow and have a beautiful girl's face on them with the word, "GONE" on the front. They are free, one just has to pay the shipping cost. I leave them in places where people will find them. For example, everyday on my way to work I stop at the drive thru at Burger King and I slip one in the insert of a small advertising box. Lol So when someone pulls up, they see her face and the word, "GONE". The next day I come back, the tract is gone and up goes another. I pray over these tracts before leaving them. I don't usually talk about the things I try to do, but maybe the Lord wanted me to this one time.
2 Peter 2:7-8 (KJV)
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the
wicked:
8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)
Theres not much time left in the Age of Grace for us to try to reach the lost. I speak to people at my place of employment about Jesus. I talk with customers when the time arises. Many see the prophecies being fulfilled before our very eyes, yet whats sad is many who claim they are saved don't see and are asleep. Some of us feel we don't have the gift to "evangelise". I don’t have it, but I'm trying. One example, I found some beautiful witnessing tracts. I've found that people are very attracted to them. I found them on Pastor Charles Lawson's site. They are yellow and have a beautiful girl's face on them with the word, "GONE" on the front. They are free, one just has to pay the shipping cost. I leave them in places where people will find them. For example, everyday on my way to work I stop at the drive thru at Burger King and I slip one in the insert of a small advertising box. Lol So when someone pulls up, they see her face and the word, "GONE". The next day I come back, the tract is gone and up goes another. I pray over these tracts before leaving them. I don't usually talk about the things I try to do, but maybe the Lord wanted me to this one time.
2 Peter 2:7-8 (KJV)
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the
wicked:
8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)
Ort
01/24/2016 9:49am
Pete-- thanks brother. Sometimes I need a pep talk. I think we all do at one time or another. Yes, this world, and all it offers, repulses me.
We also need to remember James 4:4 "whoever loves the world is the enemy of God."
Wow. I mean, this shows how God feels about the world and its sin and ugliness. We who love it are His enemy! I do NOT want to have Almighty God as my enemy!
We also need to remember James 4:4 "whoever loves the world is the enemy of God."
Wow. I mean, this shows how God feels about the world and its sin and ugliness. We who love it are His enemy! I do NOT want to have Almighty God as my enemy!
Ort
01/24/2016 9:49am
Pete-- thanks brother. Sometimes I need a pep talk. I think we all do at one time or another. Yes, this world, and all it offers, repulses me.
We also need to remember James 4:4 "whoever loves the world is the enemy of God."
Wow. I mean, this shows how God feels about the world and its sin and ugliness. We who love it are His enemy! I do NOT want to have Almighty God as my enemy!
We also need to remember James 4:4 "whoever loves the world is the enemy of God."
Wow. I mean, this shows how God feels about the world and its sin and ugliness. We who love it are His enemy! I do NOT want to have Almighty God as my enemy!
Elena Nash
01/27/2016 5:44am
Dear friend,
You're in a perfect position to start praying for revival within your soul. This is a time when the fields are ripe and ready for harvest. Jesus said: "Occupy till I come." So don't give up; don't be distracted by the cares of this world. Put on the "Whole armor of God," and stand and share the Gospel of Jesus Christ, whenever and wherever you can. God bless you!♡
You're in a perfect position to start praying for revival within your soul. This is a time when the fields are ripe and ready for harvest. Jesus said: "Occupy till I come." So don't give up; don't be distracted by the cares of this world. Put on the "Whole armor of God," and stand and share the Gospel of Jesus Christ, whenever and wherever you can. God bless you!♡
09/10/2016 7:58am
I find it depressing when most people have different interpretation of the holy scripture. Teenagers like me don't know anymore who to believe. It's even more sad to witness groups of people fight over this. Some look at themselves as better. I think we should just follow what the Lord would have always wanted. This is tolerance.
Joyce
01/21/2016 9:05pm
We're all hanging in there right now. We are weary and some days we have no strength. We're under heavy spiritual warfare right now, which is manifesting in the physical at an increased pace. We are aware of His protection and everything is spinning out of control around us, but we still make it somehow. Because of this we know that the Rapture is imminent. This sense of urgency in our spirits; we feel we can't go on like this any longer. We're about done! We're all crying for Him to come get us!! And He is coming!!!
Fred
01/22/2016 8:07am
Ort, I feel your pain too. but take heart, because we have taken Jesus into ours we shall be with him soon. God loves you and knows you, there is nothing He will be ashamed of because you put your faith in His son.
I've struggled with this as you do, but each time I feel like I can't go on anymore, I'm reminded that those feelings aren't from heaven, but Satan. He wants to bring us down so he can claim us. do not let him deceive you. we are SAVED through Christ's blood and suffering, so let us not belittle ourselves o thoughts about what or Father in heaven will think of us, for Jesus' death covers all our sins and God will not see them. he will see us as his children, pure and innocent.
I pray that God will fill your heart with peace that you will do more for him.
I've struggled with this as you do, but each time I feel like I can't go on anymore, I'm reminded that those feelings aren't from heaven, but Satan. He wants to bring us down so he can claim us. do not let him deceive you. we are SAVED through Christ's blood and suffering, so let us not belittle ourselves o thoughts about what or Father in heaven will think of us, for Jesus' death covers all our sins and God will not see them. he will see us as his children, pure and innocent.
I pray that God will fill your heart with peace that you will do more for him.
Ort
01/24/2016 9:52am
Fred--thank you. I need to hear this and remember my weariness and frustration and wanting to quit come from the Enemy. I can't believe I forget this!
YSIC,
Ort
YSIC,
Ort
Ort
01/24/2016 9:59am
Fred--thank you. I need to hear this and remember my weariness and frustration and wanting to quit come from the Enemy. I can't believe I forget this!
YSIC,
Ort
YSIC,
Ort
kim segar
01/22/2016 9:44am
The rapture is so true. many things in prophecy had not happen, like when Israel became a nation. and many ow wee prophecy is now being fulfilled more each day , and quickly ...I also like the Rev. where G-d is telling the churches what he likes and dislikes and tell s us to come out of them. then in Rev 4 , He says to escape the wrath coming down on the earth..COME UP Hither...Now that we see HE IS THE LIGHT OF PROPHECY then led by the HS which leads us to all truth, we are the generation that seen Israel become a nation, and said we are the generation standing when this happens, that is US..HE warns of those against HIS Chosen..and like in the days of Noah were, sodomey and every evil sin, an dlike Sodom again he burnt it to the ground.. we all need to understand that to repent is to stop the sins. some try as long is the flesh is on us we will, but those who go out and think they can sin in all ways and think they are saved is wrong, even the devil knows and trembles..How can anyone turn from the L-ve of G-d and not accept the precious gift of Salvation for taking on our sin and the horried beatings HE went thru on the criss taking on our sin... The church of true believers is going home very soon. i am grieved so many fell of the narrow road and became the son so hell and the ones who never find the narrow road. HE is coming and it is nearer than any one thinks
01/23/2016 8:42am
a great comment from a sister in Christ sent to me in an email..must share with the brethren::
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There is a blessing for reading Revelation and it's not to be subjected to God's Wrath if we are a born again believer, so what is it then? Food for thought for those who believe we will stand strong and defeat evil on our own merit and work. Those are the Dominionism camp and Kingdom Now. God didn't need help in creation and He doesn't need our assistance in His Judgement. Who do people think God is or who do they believe Him to be? That is going to be what we base our thoughts, mind, and hearts on. It's becoming more evident when you look around. God is not a weak God. He IS the Creator. He is the Great I Am! Amen! People underestimate what He can or can't do. I believe He can do ALL things if He so chooses. Who are we to contain Him in a box?
God bless,
Wendy
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There is a blessing for reading Revelation and it's not to be subjected to God's Wrath if we are a born again believer, so what is it then? Food for thought for those who believe we will stand strong and defeat evil on our own merit and work. Those are the Dominionism camp and Kingdom Now. God didn't need help in creation and He doesn't need our assistance in His Judgement. Who do people think God is or who do they believe Him to be? That is going to be what we base our thoughts, mind, and hearts on. It's becoming more evident when you look around. God is not a weak God. He IS the Creator. He is the Great I Am! Amen! People underestimate what He can or can't do. I believe He can do ALL things if He so chooses. Who are we to contain Him in a box?
God bless,
Wendy
Ort
01/24/2016 9:53am
Wendy--Amen sister!!! Well said!!
Joyce
01/24/2016 4:51pm
I agree with you Wendy!
Maranatha
Maranatha
01/23/2016 8:50am
wow, this sister is on a roll...had to reprint:
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Pastor MIke,
I was reading in my Bible Study Commentary today this:
"Paul argued that the Christian Faith hangs on Jesus' literal, bodily resurrection. The unprecedented, historical fact of the Resurrection confirms God's acceptance of Christ's sacrifice as payment for humanity's sin."
So what would this say to the world and Jews who don't know Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior? What does this say about being caught up in the air with our Lord to live forever with Him in a place He has prepared for those who are born-again? Would not the rapture prove of God's acceptance of His Bride - the Church?
How can people miss this and the signs pointing towards Jesus and His Word, not man's own interpretation? It specifically says to "lean NOT unto your own understanding". This is a warning. Why don't people heed His Words? It is about disobedience and unbelief I think moreover. When we look at the heart of the matter it is there. Those who do not have understanding are "spiritually discerned" so they lean unto their own interpretation or understanding. The Bible warns NOT to do this which in essence is rejecting His Word and warnings.
Is it any wonder the carnal lukewarm Christian will "have their part of God's Wrath with the unbeliever"? When we look at those who attack a pre-trip rapture we have to see they are "spiritually discerned". It says that few; not many will enter the gate. Look at Noah. Look at Lot. Look at his followers who fell away when counting the cost. It's a heart issue. "True colors are shining through". If the vast majority disbelieve a pre-trip rapture it appears to all the more authenticate it. Either God's Wrath (His work; not ours) was satisfied by the work at the cross or it was not. For those that it was not enough; they will be "refined like silver."
We do have this hope of repentance for our loved ones though. Not all will repent, as it states many times in Revelation... But there will be some who will. May God be glorified!
Wendy
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Pastor MIke,
I was reading in my Bible Study Commentary today this:
"Paul argued that the Christian Faith hangs on Jesus' literal, bodily resurrection. The unprecedented, historical fact of the Resurrection confirms God's acceptance of Christ's sacrifice as payment for humanity's sin."
So what would this say to the world and Jews who don't know Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior? What does this say about being caught up in the air with our Lord to live forever with Him in a place He has prepared for those who are born-again? Would not the rapture prove of God's acceptance of His Bride - the Church?
How can people miss this and the signs pointing towards Jesus and His Word, not man's own interpretation? It specifically says to "lean NOT unto your own understanding". This is a warning. Why don't people heed His Words? It is about disobedience and unbelief I think moreover. When we look at the heart of the matter it is there. Those who do not have understanding are "spiritually discerned" so they lean unto their own interpretation or understanding. The Bible warns NOT to do this which in essence is rejecting His Word and warnings.
Is it any wonder the carnal lukewarm Christian will "have their part of God's Wrath with the unbeliever"? When we look at those who attack a pre-trip rapture we have to see they are "spiritually discerned". It says that few; not many will enter the gate. Look at Noah. Look at Lot. Look at his followers who fell away when counting the cost. It's a heart issue. "True colors are shining through". If the vast majority disbelieve a pre-trip rapture it appears to all the more authenticate it. Either God's Wrath (His work; not ours) was satisfied by the work at the cross or it was not. For those that it was not enough; they will be "refined like silver."
We do have this hope of repentance for our loved ones though. Not all will repent, as it states many times in Revelation... But there will be some who will. May God be glorified!
Wendy
01/23/2016 8:57am
Wendy,
as I have mentioned many times in past sermons, there are two goals in the coming Tribulation...
1. to extinguish all rebellion on this earth in plagues and divine judgment.
2. to refine Israel as silver is refined in the fire, to bring them to the knowledge of their Messiah.
To be counting in that last point as luke-warm to the point where God spews us out of His mouth is most frightening to the casual Christian in name only. Many think they are OK, because they go to church, pay tithes, so "sacraments"...say hail marys, or whatever ritual their church deems as leading to salvation, but fail to take in Christ into their heart...they will be sorely surprised and confused when they are thrown headlong into the coming Tribulation....to get it right in God's eyes and accept Jesus Christ as Savior will cost them their head...literally...many will die, because they were so foolish to have head knowledge, but not heart knowledge...remember, even the demons believe in Jesus Christ, but they are not saved or saints...they have head knowledge or intellectual knowledge, but it's not a saving knowledge of the grace of God through Jesus Christ our Lord, accepted by faith...that is their mistake, just as the demons are not saved, they are not either...God bless you for your comment..
Pastor MIke
as I have mentioned many times in past sermons, there are two goals in the coming Tribulation...
1. to extinguish all rebellion on this earth in plagues and divine judgment.
2. to refine Israel as silver is refined in the fire, to bring them to the knowledge of their Messiah.
To be counting in that last point as luke-warm to the point where God spews us out of His mouth is most frightening to the casual Christian in name only. Many think they are OK, because they go to church, pay tithes, so "sacraments"...say hail marys, or whatever ritual their church deems as leading to salvation, but fail to take in Christ into their heart...they will be sorely surprised and confused when they are thrown headlong into the coming Tribulation....to get it right in God's eyes and accept Jesus Christ as Savior will cost them their head...literally...many will die, because they were so foolish to have head knowledge, but not heart knowledge...remember, even the demons believe in Jesus Christ, but they are not saved or saints...they have head knowledge or intellectual knowledge, but it's not a saving knowledge of the grace of God through Jesus Christ our Lord, accepted by faith...that is their mistake, just as the demons are not saved, they are not either...God bless you for your comment..
Pastor MIke
Charlon Williams
01/23/2016 4:01pm
Dear Mike, You have done it again, Praise be to God. My husband, Rex and I just e-mailed this message to our associate Pastor and earlier this week sent him Pete Garcia's article also defining the Who and When the Bible is addressing and the confusion people promote when they so not see the whole picture presented in the full counsel of God's word. The church and pastors especially need the clarification of teaching so they can take a stand and know where we are in Prophecy and have confidence to teach the truth so that the body can experience the Glorious expectation of the Blessed Hope of the Glorious appearing of our Lord and Savior. So they can go to bed with the last thought being will it be in the morning. Our pastors are interested and lean to this teaching but something is holding them back from taking it on directly. Every week they remind us He is coming soon and we sing about His coming. It (seems to me) that all they lack is: the conviction of what you have written and what I have sent this week in order to not fear division because of the many views. I am in a church that teaches and believes in the inerrancy of the word of God and teach the importance of knowing who we are in Christ in order to experience the fullness of God and the abundant life. They teach the great commission, To God be the Glory, To Know and abide in Christ, Holiness, everything but have not taught the doctrine of the Rapture. I praise God for the clarity of your teaching. I was taught prophecy mostly by the late Jack Kelley since 2007. Please pray with me that the Holy Spirit will guide the pastors and elders of our church to take the leap of faith and give the body this teaching. Our church is about 10 years old, has a fellowship of about 1000 and have planted three churches. One of them taking about 300 of our local fellowship to start one in a better location for them and trying to keep the size here more intimate and smaller. (of course We may have to do that again some day, because the Lord keeps blessing, Amen) We are independent and have broken association from a larger independent fellowship, and changed our name because of them incorporating what we believe is unsound doctrinal teaching. The name of our church is Canyon Bible Church, Prescott Valley., AZ
Personal Note:
. This is how I took the liberty of introducing you to my pastor. "I have been reading Pastor Mike for years, first on Prophecy Update. I was drawn by the Holy Spirit to him at first because of his love for the Gospel, his heart for the unsaved, his loyalty to America and alarm at President Obama, etc. and his telling it like it is. I have watched him move from emphasis of being more politically concerned and active and deep concern for saving America's heritage at the same time that I was conflicted with where to spend my energies for the Glory of God. I believe he came to the conclusion as I did, there is not time, Jesus is at the door; and I believe Pastor Mike has moved to totally looking to the things that are unseen and above. This world is no longer his home. He also has a pre-tribulation view on prophecy, which is why I found him on Prophecy Update. This is a very clear article on what I think is a clear teaching of this doctrine."
I hope I did not attribute any wrong view of you, please feel free to enlighten me. Also take the liberty to edit this personal view of you from this posting. God's Blessings to you and thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to pass on such sound teaching.
Charlon Williams
Personal Note:
. This is how I took the liberty of introducing you to my pastor. "I have been reading Pastor Mike for years, first on Prophecy Update. I was drawn by the Holy Spirit to him at first because of his love for the Gospel, his heart for the unsaved, his loyalty to America and alarm at President Obama, etc. and his telling it like it is. I have watched him move from emphasis of being more politically concerned and active and deep concern for saving America's heritage at the same time that I was conflicted with where to spend my energies for the Glory of God. I believe he came to the conclusion as I did, there is not time, Jesus is at the door; and I believe Pastor Mike has moved to totally looking to the things that are unseen and above. This world is no longer his home. He also has a pre-tribulation view on prophecy, which is why I found him on Prophecy Update. This is a very clear article on what I think is a clear teaching of this doctrine."
I hope I did not attribute any wrong view of you, please feel free to enlighten me. Also take the liberty to edit this personal view of you from this posting. God's Blessings to you and thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to pass on such sound teaching.
Charlon Williams
01/23/2016 7:34pm
Charlon,
You have humbled me and blessed me in such a marvelous way. I am so encouraged that people such as yourself, find this ministry of benefit to their walk with the Lord. But I must give God all the glory. and magnify His Holy Naem.....I am but His vessel and pray He use me as He will.
When I began this ministry online, I prayed that it would reach those God wanted to reach, encourage those who needed it, and strengthen those that are were downtrodden...Most of all preach the Gospel of the soon return of our Lord Jesus Christ and His coming Kingdom..the very definition of the "good news" the Gospel.
When I began, people asked me if I felt that my ministry would help even one person, and would it be important for anyone to hear what God has given me to say in verse and commentary.....is it important for even one? It is if you are that one....it could change your eternal destiny to live with God for all eternity. So yes, this ministry is important, the word of God is important...Jesus is is the highest of importance for all mankind, anywhere and at anytime...
May God continue to bless anyone these messages touch, give them hope, and may they give them more faith in Jesus Christ even to the salvation of their souls...You have made my year and I thank God for His love and for your encouragement...God bless,
YBIC<
Pastor Mike
You have humbled me and blessed me in such a marvelous way. I am so encouraged that people such as yourself, find this ministry of benefit to their walk with the Lord. But I must give God all the glory. and magnify His Holy Naem.....I am but His vessel and pray He use me as He will.
When I began this ministry online, I prayed that it would reach those God wanted to reach, encourage those who needed it, and strengthen those that are were downtrodden...Most of all preach the Gospel of the soon return of our Lord Jesus Christ and His coming Kingdom..the very definition of the "good news" the Gospel.
When I began, people asked me if I felt that my ministry would help even one person, and would it be important for anyone to hear what God has given me to say in verse and commentary.....is it important for even one? It is if you are that one....it could change your eternal destiny to live with God for all eternity. So yes, this ministry is important, the word of God is important...Jesus is is the highest of importance for all mankind, anywhere and at anytime...
May God continue to bless anyone these messages touch, give them hope, and may they give them more faith in Jesus Christ even to the salvation of their souls...You have made my year and I thank God for His love and for your encouragement...God bless,
YBIC<
Pastor Mike
Heather
01/24/2016 6:03am
16 Proofs of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture
By Kent Crockett
Proof #1: Revelation 19:11-21 doesn’t mention a resurrection.
The rapture is a resurrection of those “in Christ” (1 Thess. 4:13-18). Isn’t it a little bit odd that in Rev. 19:11-21, which is the clearest picture of the second coming of Christ, there is no mention of a resurrection? The rapture will be the biggest event since the resurrection of Jesus where hundreds of millions of Christians will be resurrected and translated, yet there isn’t any mention here. Don’t you think it deserves at least one verse? The rapture isn’t mentioned because it doesn’t happen at the second coming.
Proof #2: Zechariah 14:1-15 doesn’t mention a resurrection.
This is an Old Testament picture of Jesus returning to earth at the second coming. Again, no mention of a resurrection.
Proof #3: Two different pictures are painted.
In the Old Testament, there were two different pictures painted of the Messiah-one suffering (Isa. 53:2-10, Ps. 22:6-8, 11-18) and one reigning as King (Ps. 2:6-12, Zech. 14:9,16). As we look back on these scriptures, we see they predicted two separate comings of the Messiah-the 1st coming as a suffering Messiah and the 2nd coming (still future) as a reigning King.
In the New Testament, we have another picture added. Again, we have two pictures painted which don’t look the same. These two different descriptions of Jesus’ coming point to two separate events we call “the rapture” and “the second coming.”
Proof #4: The Known Day and the Unknown Day
Concerning the return of Jesus, the Bible presents a day we can’t know and a day we can know. Matthew 25:13 says Jesus will return at an unknown time, while Revelation 12:6 says the Jews will have to wait 1,260 days for the Lord to return. The 1,260 days begins when the Antichrist stands in the Temple and declares himself to be God (Matt. 24:15-21, 2 Thess. 2:4) This event will take place at the mid-point of the seven year Tribulation (Dan 9:27). The Antichrist has authority to rule for 42 months, which is 1,260 days (Rev. 13:4) and will be destroyed by Jesus at His second coming (Rev. 19:20, 2 Thess. 2:8). The known and unknown days must happen at different times, meaning they are two separate events.
Proof #5: A door open in heaven (Revelation 4:1)
The door in heaven is opened to let John into heaven. We believe John’s call into heaven is prophetic of the church being caught up at the rapture (see proof #6). In Revelation 19:11, heaven is opened again, this time to let the armies which are already in heaven out. This is the Church, which has been raptured at a previous time, following Jesus out of heaven at the second coming.
Proof #6: “Come up here.” (Revelation 4:1)
A voice called for the apostle John to “Come up here,” and immediately he was in heaven. This could be a prophetic reference to the rapture of the Church. The words “Come up here” are spoken to the two witnesses who are killed in the middle of the Tribulation, who are resurrected and ascend into heaven (Rev. 11:12). Therefore, the phrase “Come up here” could mean the church is raptured in Rev. 4:1. The word “church” is mentioned 22 times in Rev. 1-3, but is not mentioned again until Rev. 22:17.
Proof #7: The 24 elders have their crowns.
After John is called up into heaven, he sees the 24 elders with their crowns (Rev. 4:4-10). We know that Christians will receive their rewards (crowns) at the rapture (2 Tim. 4:8, 1 Pet. 5:4). We will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous (Luke 14:14). The elders couldn’t receive their crowns unless the resurrection (rapture) has taken place.
Proof #8 Holy ones are already with Jesus in heaven (Zech. 14:5, Rev. 19:14)
The armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, follow Jesus out of heaven at His second coming (Rev. 19:14, Zech. 14:5, Col. 3:4). These are not angels because Rev. 19:8 tells us the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints. In order to come out of heaven we first have to go in, indicating a previous rapture.
Proof #9: Kept from the hour of testing (Rev. 3:10)
Revelation 3:10 says we will be kept out of the hour of testing which will come upon the whole earth (the Tribulation). Some have wrongly believed “keep” means to keep through, or protect through the Tribulation. Suppose you approach a high voltage area with a sign that says, “Keep Out.” Does that mean you can enter and be protected? No, it means you are forbidden from entering the area. But this verse also says He will keep us from the hour of testing. It is not just the testing, but the time period. If a student is excused from a test, he still may have to sit in the class while others take the test. But if he is excused from the hour of testing, he can go home. The Church will be called home before the hour of testing.
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By Kent Crockett
Proof #1: Revelation 19:11-21 doesn’t mention a resurrection.
The rapture is a resurrection of those “in Christ” (1 Thess. 4:13-18). Isn’t it a little bit odd that in Rev. 19:11-21, which is the clearest picture of the second coming of Christ, there is no mention of a resurrection? The rapture will be the biggest event since the resurrection of Jesus where hundreds of millions of Christians will be resurrected and translated, yet there isn’t any mention here. Don’t you think it deserves at least one verse? The rapture isn’t mentioned because it doesn’t happen at the second coming.
Proof #2: Zechariah 14:1-15 doesn’t mention a resurrection.
This is an Old Testament picture of Jesus returning to earth at the second coming. Again, no mention of a resurrection.
Proof #3: Two different pictures are painted.
In the Old Testament, there were two different pictures painted of the Messiah-one suffering (Isa. 53:2-10, Ps. 22:6-8, 11-18) and one reigning as King (Ps. 2:6-12, Zech. 14:9,16). As we look back on these scriptures, we see they predicted two separate comings of the Messiah-the 1st coming as a suffering Messiah and the 2nd coming (still future) as a reigning King.
In the New Testament, we have another picture added. Again, we have two pictures painted which don’t look the same. These two different descriptions of Jesus’ coming point to two separate events we call “the rapture” and “the second coming.”
Proof #4: The Known Day and the Unknown Day
Concerning the return of Jesus, the Bible presents a day we can’t know and a day we can know. Matthew 25:13 says Jesus will return at an unknown time, while Revelation 12:6 says the Jews will have to wait 1,260 days for the Lord to return. The 1,260 days begins when the Antichrist stands in the Temple and declares himself to be God (Matt. 24:15-21, 2 Thess. 2:4) This event will take place at the mid-point of the seven year Tribulation (Dan 9:27). The Antichrist has authority to rule for 42 months, which is 1,260 days (Rev. 13:4) and will be destroyed by Jesus at His second coming (Rev. 19:20, 2 Thess. 2:8). The known and unknown days must happen at different times, meaning they are two separate events.
Proof #5: A door open in heaven (Revelation 4:1)
The door in heaven is opened to let John into heaven. We believe John’s call into heaven is prophetic of the church being caught up at the rapture (see proof #6). In Revelation 19:11, heaven is opened again, this time to let the armies which are already in heaven out. This is the Church, which has been raptured at a previous time, following Jesus out of heaven at the second coming.
Proof #6: “Come up here.” (Revelation 4:1)
A voice called for the apostle John to “Come up here,” and immediately he was in heaven. This could be a prophetic reference to the rapture of the Church. The words “Come up here” are spoken to the two witnesses who are killed in the middle of the Tribulation, who are resurrected and ascend into heaven (Rev. 11:12). Therefore, the phrase “Come up here” could mean the church is raptured in Rev. 4:1. The word “church” is mentioned 22 times in Rev. 1-3, but is not mentioned again until Rev. 22:17.
Proof #7: The 24 elders have their crowns.
After John is called up into heaven, he sees the 24 elders with their crowns (Rev. 4:4-10). We know that Christians will receive their rewards (crowns) at the rapture (2 Tim. 4:8, 1 Pet. 5:4). We will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous (Luke 14:14). The elders couldn’t receive their crowns unless the resurrection (rapture) has taken place.
Proof #8 Holy ones are already with Jesus in heaven (Zech. 14:5, Rev. 19:14)
The armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, follow Jesus out of heaven at His second coming (Rev. 19:14, Zech. 14:5, Col. 3:4). These are not angels because Rev. 19:8 tells us the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints. In order to come out of heaven we first have to go in, indicating a previous rapture.
Proof #9: Kept from the hour of testing (Rev. 3:10)
Revelation 3:10 says we will be kept out of the hour of testing which will come upon the whole earth (the Tribulation). Some have wrongly believed “keep” means to keep through, or protect through the Tribulation. Suppose you approach a high voltage area with a sign that says, “Keep Out.” Does that mean you can enter and be protected? No, it means you are forbidden from entering the area. But this verse also says He will keep us from the hour of testing. It is not just the testing, but the time period. If a student is excused from a test, he still may have to sit in the class while others take the test. But if he is excused from the hour of testing, he can go home. The Church will be called home before the hour of testing.
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Heather
01/24/2016 4:20pm
Proof #10: Angels don’t resurrect people when they gather them for judgment.
When the angels are sent forth to gather the elect at the second coming (Matt. 24:29-31), some have wrongly interpreted this as the rapture. There is one huge problem with this interpretation. If we are resurrected at this time, why would we need angels to gather us? In the resurrection, we will be like the angels (Matt. 22:30), able to travel in the air at will. Obviously, these people who are gathered are not resurrected, therefore it can’t be the rapture. No one would claim the wicked are raptured at this time, yet Matthew 13:39-41, 49 says the angels will not only gather the elect, but also the wicked. This gathering is not a resurrection.
Proof #11: Both the wicked and the righteous can’t be taken first.
First Thessalonians 4:13-17 says the righteous are taken and the wicked are left behind. Matthew 13:30, 49 says the wicked are taken first and righteous are left behind. This points to two separate events, the rapture and the second coming.
Proof #12: Jesus returns from the wedding.
When Jesus returns to earth at the second coming, He will return from a wedding (Luke 12:36). At the rapture, Jesus is married to His bride, the Church. After the wedding, He will return to earth.
Proof #13: Jesus will receive us to Himself, not us to receive Him (John 14:2-3).
Jesus said He would prepare a place for the Church in heaven, then He would come again to receive us to Himself. Why would Jesus prepare a place for us in heaven and then not take us there? At the rapture, He will come to receive us to Himself, “that where I am (heaven), there you may be also.” If the rapture occurred at the same time as the second coming, we would go up to the clouds and then immediately come back to earth. That would contradict John 14:2-3.
Proof #14: The one who restrains is taken out of the way.
In 2 Thess. 2:6-7, Paul says “the one who restrains will be taken out of the way” before the Antichrist can be revealed. We believe this refers to the rapture because the Church is clearly the biggest obstacle to the Antichrist becoming a world ruler.
Proof #15: The separation of the sheep and goats (Matt. 25:31-46)
If the rapture occurred at the second coming, why would the sheep and the goats need to be separated immediately after the second coming? A rapture at the second coming would have already separated the sheep and the goats. With a Pre-Tribulation rapture, the people saved after the rapture will need to be separated after the second coming.
Proof #16: Who will populate the Millennium?
If the rapture occurs at the second coming and the wicked are cast
into hell at that time, who will be left to populate the millennium? Only
people in their natural (non-resurrected) bodies will be able to have children (Matt. 22:30). With a Pre-Tribulation rapture, the people savedafter the rapture who are alive at the second coming will populate the earth during the Millennium.
Just wanted to share what this brother wrote.
When the angels are sent forth to gather the elect at the second coming (Matt. 24:29-31), some have wrongly interpreted this as the rapture. There is one huge problem with this interpretation. If we are resurrected at this time, why would we need angels to gather us? In the resurrection, we will be like the angels (Matt. 22:30), able to travel in the air at will. Obviously, these people who are gathered are not resurrected, therefore it can’t be the rapture. No one would claim the wicked are raptured at this time, yet Matthew 13:39-41, 49 says the angels will not only gather the elect, but also the wicked. This gathering is not a resurrection.
Proof #11: Both the wicked and the righteous can’t be taken first.
First Thessalonians 4:13-17 says the righteous are taken and the wicked are left behind. Matthew 13:30, 49 says the wicked are taken first and righteous are left behind. This points to two separate events, the rapture and the second coming.
Proof #12: Jesus returns from the wedding.
When Jesus returns to earth at the second coming, He will return from a wedding (Luke 12:36). At the rapture, Jesus is married to His bride, the Church. After the wedding, He will return to earth.
Proof #13: Jesus will receive us to Himself, not us to receive Him (John 14:2-3).
Jesus said He would prepare a place for the Church in heaven, then He would come again to receive us to Himself. Why would Jesus prepare a place for us in heaven and then not take us there? At the rapture, He will come to receive us to Himself, “that where I am (heaven), there you may be also.” If the rapture occurred at the same time as the second coming, we would go up to the clouds and then immediately come back to earth. That would contradict John 14:2-3.
Proof #14: The one who restrains is taken out of the way.
In 2 Thess. 2:6-7, Paul says “the one who restrains will be taken out of the way” before the Antichrist can be revealed. We believe this refers to the rapture because the Church is clearly the biggest obstacle to the Antichrist becoming a world ruler.
Proof #15: The separation of the sheep and goats (Matt. 25:31-46)
If the rapture occurred at the second coming, why would the sheep and the goats need to be separated immediately after the second coming? A rapture at the second coming would have already separated the sheep and the goats. With a Pre-Tribulation rapture, the people saved after the rapture will need to be separated after the second coming.
Proof #16: Who will populate the Millennium?
If the rapture occurs at the second coming and the wicked are cast
into hell at that time, who will be left to populate the millennium? Only
people in their natural (non-resurrected) bodies will be able to have children (Matt. 22:30). With a Pre-Tribulation rapture, the people savedafter the rapture who are alive at the second coming will populate the earth during the Millennium.
Just wanted to share what this brother wrote.
Allan Rowley
02/05/2016 10:25pm
Hi Mike,
As I stated before the pre trib is a lie.
Can we hold you Mike to your possible claim that rapture will happen this year, as we have heard for the past 40-50 years?
The Messiah is coming back "ONCE" as stated in Hebrews 9:28.
John 6:39; 40; 44 and 54 tells us "the dead will rise on the last day" which is the "DAY OF YAHUWEH."
This is confirmed in 1 Thess 4:16 - the dead rise FIRST!
In 1 Thess 5:4 it tells us "we will see and know when He is returning."
Who do not know when He is returning are the "unbelievers" Rev 3:3.
If you do not understand the parable of the seed and the soils you will not understand any of the Messiah's parables especially of the Wheat and Tares. If you did, you would know who gets taken out and who inherits the earth.
Know that if you believe a lie then your mind is clouded - 2 Thess 2:10-11.
If you are not "set apart" or in a relationship with the Spirit of Yahuweh, have a humble heart and deny self daily you are not saved. Only the Spirit of Yahuweh can change you.
There is a condition to be saved, there is no cheap grace – John 14:21.
Blessings.
As I stated before the pre trib is a lie.
Can we hold you Mike to your possible claim that rapture will happen this year, as we have heard for the past 40-50 years?
The Messiah is coming back "ONCE" as stated in Hebrews 9:28.
John 6:39; 40; 44 and 54 tells us "the dead will rise on the last day" which is the "DAY OF YAHUWEH."
This is confirmed in 1 Thess 4:16 - the dead rise FIRST!
In 1 Thess 5:4 it tells us "we will see and know when He is returning."
Who do not know when He is returning are the "unbelievers" Rev 3:3.
If you do not understand the parable of the seed and the soils you will not understand any of the Messiah's parables especially of the Wheat and Tares. If you did, you would know who gets taken out and who inherits the earth.
Know that if you believe a lie then your mind is clouded - 2 Thess 2:10-11.
If you are not "set apart" or in a relationship with the Spirit of Yahuweh, have a humble heart and deny self daily you are not saved. Only the Spirit of Yahuweh can change you.
There is a condition to be saved, there is no cheap grace – John 14:21.
Blessings.
02/06/2016 6:54pm
First Allen,
I am amazed at you taking scripture out of context. You can't pick and choose parts that fit your theological bias, as you must take the whole counsel of the Word of God...it's not a smorgasbord , that you pick and choose. First, it is hard to answer someone that has taken my messages for quite a while and still believes in a work based salvation, and a Post Trib model of the return of Jesus Christ. Have I not taught you anything, or has my messages gone right over your head? But I will try and answer each charge that you erroneously make.
1. The Pre-Tribulation rapture is only a lie to those who don't believe and choose to scoff at a teaching that has been part of the early church from the 1st Century AD...which I have made mention of in messages that even you received, but fail to internalize or believe.
2. I have made no claim or will I ever be a Harold Camping and try to foolishly to pinpoint the time of the return of my Lord Jesus. What I have done is point that we are in the “season” of His return as Jesus preached in the parable of the fig tree and knowing that when He speaks of a generation, it would leave one to believe Jesus is referring back to His Word, that a generation is 70 years and 80 years by strength...we are now 68 years from the time of the budding of the fig tree, being Israel reconstituted as a nation promised by God in these last days. Would any of us be disappointed if Jesus did not come this year? I know I would be, but we must press on and wait for the Lord of Glory and be about His Father's business....our Father's business. But we are definitely in the last days of the Age of Grace. Our Lord's return is imminent.
3. When quote Hebrews 9:28, you attribute “once” to His return, but that is NOT what it says...let me quote it for you...”So Christ was ONCE offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” The quote points to the fact that Christ was offered “ONCE” for the remission of our sins. His death was a finished work of salvation at the cross....” For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8-9. Salvation is free, but it was not cheap...it cost our Lord His life in torture and finally crucifixion. It says He will appear the second time, for those without sin unto salvation....because our sin was covered by His blood, so the bride is without sin, spot or blemish because of His sacrifice. Salvation noted in the text is from the Greek word, “Soteria” which means:
“deliverance, preservation, safety, salvation
-deliverance from the molestation of enemies
-in an ethical sense, that which concludes to the souls safety or salvation
a. of Messianic salvation
` So our deliverance from His coming wrath, our salvation “soteria” will be when He comes to deliver, or rescue those who look for His appearing.
4. Sorry, but there is not a passage of John 6:39 that speaks of the last day and when the dead will rise...you must have been in error when quoting this.
5. Your quote of 1st Thessalonians about the dead rise first, is true, but it is NOT associated with the end of the Tribulation. Paul speaks of the us rising to meet the Lord in the air, as we are destined to partake of the “marriage supper of the Lamb”( Rev. 19), which joins the Bride (the Church), to our King, the Son of man, our God Jesus Christ. I had one gentleman that believed we would make a U-turn and come right back down to Jerusalem, but I marveled, as His saints come with Him, riding on white horses clothed with linen white and clean, (a sign of the saints) so my answer to him was, so we rise to saddle up? It's doesn't make sense...if Jesus is coming back once at the end of the Tribulation, why do we meet Him in the air? Why doesn't He just come down to earth and meet us there? And when the Marriage Supper of the Lamb? Your position raises more questions than it answers....and what of the mortals that go into the Millennium to repopulate the earth? If Jesus changes all who are saved into immortals with new bodies, and destroys all rebellion on earth, then who is left to be mortal? Answer, nobody, so it doesn't compute when you take what the Bible speaks of literally.
6. Further, Allan, we DON”T know when Jesus is returning, as He said He would come as a “thief in the night” 1 Thessalonians 5 says “For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. ... “ We are commanded to watch and pray and keep our garments clean and not be found naked.
7. Not t
I am amazed at you taking scripture out of context. You can't pick and choose parts that fit your theological bias, as you must take the whole counsel of the Word of God...it's not a smorgasbord , that you pick and choose. First, it is hard to answer someone that has taken my messages for quite a while and still believes in a work based salvation, and a Post Trib model of the return of Jesus Christ. Have I not taught you anything, or has my messages gone right over your head? But I will try and answer each charge that you erroneously make.
1. The Pre-Tribulation rapture is only a lie to those who don't believe and choose to scoff at a teaching that has been part of the early church from the 1st Century AD...which I have made mention of in messages that even you received, but fail to internalize or believe.
2. I have made no claim or will I ever be a Harold Camping and try to foolishly to pinpoint the time of the return of my Lord Jesus. What I have done is point that we are in the “season” of His return as Jesus preached in the parable of the fig tree and knowing that when He speaks of a generation, it would leave one to believe Jesus is referring back to His Word, that a generation is 70 years and 80 years by strength...we are now 68 years from the time of the budding of the fig tree, being Israel reconstituted as a nation promised by God in these last days. Would any of us be disappointed if Jesus did not come this year? I know I would be, but we must press on and wait for the Lord of Glory and be about His Father's business....our Father's business. But we are definitely in the last days of the Age of Grace. Our Lord's return is imminent.
3. When quote Hebrews 9:28, you attribute “once” to His return, but that is NOT what it says...let me quote it for you...”So Christ was ONCE offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” The quote points to the fact that Christ was offered “ONCE” for the remission of our sins. His death was a finished work of salvation at the cross....” For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8-9. Salvation is free, but it was not cheap...it cost our Lord His life in torture and finally crucifixion. It says He will appear the second time, for those without sin unto salvation....because our sin was covered by His blood, so the bride is without sin, spot or blemish because of His sacrifice. Salvation noted in the text is from the Greek word, “Soteria” which means:
“deliverance, preservation, safety, salvation
-deliverance from the molestation of enemies
-in an ethical sense, that which concludes to the souls safety or salvation
a. of Messianic salvation
` So our deliverance from His coming wrath, our salvation “soteria” will be when He comes to deliver, or rescue those who look for His appearing.
4. Sorry, but there is not a passage of John 6:39 that speaks of the last day and when the dead will rise...you must have been in error when quoting this.
5. Your quote of 1st Thessalonians about the dead rise first, is true, but it is NOT associated with the end of the Tribulation. Paul speaks of the us rising to meet the Lord in the air, as we are destined to partake of the “marriage supper of the Lamb”( Rev. 19), which joins the Bride (the Church), to our King, the Son of man, our God Jesus Christ. I had one gentleman that believed we would make a U-turn and come right back down to Jerusalem, but I marveled, as His saints come with Him, riding on white horses clothed with linen white and clean, (a sign of the saints) so my answer to him was, so we rise to saddle up? It's doesn't make sense...if Jesus is coming back once at the end of the Tribulation, why do we meet Him in the air? Why doesn't He just come down to earth and meet us there? And when the Marriage Supper of the Lamb? Your position raises more questions than it answers....and what of the mortals that go into the Millennium to repopulate the earth? If Jesus changes all who are saved into immortals with new bodies, and destroys all rebellion on earth, then who is left to be mortal? Answer, nobody, so it doesn't compute when you take what the Bible speaks of literally.
6. Further, Allan, we DON”T know when Jesus is returning, as He said He would come as a “thief in the night” 1 Thessalonians 5 says “For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. ... “ We are commanded to watch and pray and keep our garments clean and not be found naked.
7. Not t
02/06/2016 7:04pm
7. Not to belabor the points, but your analysis is seriously flawed, and I'm afraid I have taught you nothing. Finally, salvation is free, and no matter of works can afford us salvation. What it is is a product of obedience and being sanctified....we were justified at the cross, but sanctification is a life long process that some learn quicker than others....we are in the School of YAHWEH and it will be even into eternity....No, Allen, you need to prayerfully re-read my messages sent to you and not let your denomination cloud your thinking and your discernment...”For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, “ 1 Thessalonians 5:9...also:
“Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth” Revelation 3:10....also see Isaiah 26:20-20 describing us entering into our chambers, until His I ndignation passes by...also, it's companion verse, when Jesus spoke to His disciple.
John 14: “I2"In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3"If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. 4"And you know the way where I am going." You see, Jesus is coming for us, to be where He is...we are going to Him, not the other way around. This is just the tip of the iceberg that points to something sweeter, something more glorious than a post tribulation coming of our Lord Jesus, and putting down all rebellion on earth with the sword of His mouth.
How much plainer can the Lord be? As Paul wrote: “In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. “ 1 Corinthians 15:52....Paul alluding to the Feast of Trumpets or the “last Trump” not the one of the 7th angel in Revelation....two different trumps. The first trump is a trump of joy and blessings...the last one is horror and judgment....which my final point would be, if we must go through the Tribulation to be refined like silver is refined in the fire, as Israel will be refined, then you hold to the belief that our Lord Jesus death was just not sufficient to find us ready to meet Him, white, clean and spotless, because of His blood....because the rest would be nothing but works, and our works, no matter how diligent are “but filthy rags,” in His sight....it would be analogous of the Catholic purgatory...which is heresy of the Word of God.
But thank you for my chance to preach you the truth...God bless,
YBIC,
Pastor Mike
“Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth” Revelation 3:10....also see Isaiah 26:20-20 describing us entering into our chambers, until His I ndignation passes by...also, it's companion verse, when Jesus spoke to His disciple.
John 14: “I2"In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3"If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. 4"And you know the way where I am going." You see, Jesus is coming for us, to be where He is...we are going to Him, not the other way around. This is just the tip of the iceberg that points to something sweeter, something more glorious than a post tribulation coming of our Lord Jesus, and putting down all rebellion on earth with the sword of His mouth.
How much plainer can the Lord be? As Paul wrote: “In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. “ 1 Corinthians 15:52....Paul alluding to the Feast of Trumpets or the “last Trump” not the one of the 7th angel in Revelation....two different trumps. The first trump is a trump of joy and blessings...the last one is horror and judgment....which my final point would be, if we must go through the Tribulation to be refined like silver is refined in the fire, as Israel will be refined, then you hold to the belief that our Lord Jesus death was just not sufficient to find us ready to meet Him, white, clean and spotless, because of His blood....because the rest would be nothing but works, and our works, no matter how diligent are “but filthy rags,” in His sight....it would be analogous of the Catholic purgatory...which is heresy of the Word of God.
But thank you for my chance to preach you the truth...God bless,
YBIC,
Pastor Mike
07/26/2016 7:54am
Let me add a thought to that. Whatever our hope is, it is only one hope, only one. Ephesians 4:4, "There's one body, there's one spirit, even as you are called in," what, "one hope of your calling." It's cause for rejoicing and it's only one hope. Not only that whatever it is, it's given to us by grace, which means you can't earn it. In 2 Thessalonians 2:16 we read "Now our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God even our Father who hath loved us and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace." God has given us this hope by grace. It can't be earned. You can't deserve it. You can't earn it, it's a gift of grace.
Charlon
09/10/2016 8:52pm
Pastor Mike,
I accidentally unscribed from this post.
Because of the new post I was notified of a new comment and re-visited this article. I just wanted to tell you that the associate pastor of our church has moved forward with teaching Bible Prophecy to the Senior Saints at our church. The group has grown from 40 to 100 within a very short period. Praising God. YSIC
I accidentally unscribed from this post.
Because of the new post I was notified of a new comment and re-visited this article. I just wanted to tell you that the associate pastor of our church has moved forward with teaching Bible Prophecy to the Senior Saints at our church. The group has grown from 40 to 100 within a very short period. Praising God. YSIC
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